The Daemon Sisters 4-6 months

Robert Denlinger 10-20-97

Thanks to suggestions from many, including Lorna and Orysia, I've cut a twenty four inch long pole of five inch treated round fence post. I drilled a one inch hole in one end and put a sixteen inch length of three-eights chain thru the hole. On the other end I attached a smallish locking carabineer. The 'beener attaches to the loop on the web collar of the four month old Kuvasz ... or her sister later in the day. The anchor only weighed in a ten pounds. The LGD's are about 40 to fifty.

Whereas they hadn't been real keen on remaining with the roaming flock, today they thought it a great idea to perch in the shade of a tree and watch the flock. They moved if the ewes did ... stayed next to a slumbering one if that was the motion. Both LGD's had only two trial "sneak-outs" ... both were caught by a growling running seething cowboy immediately! I took them back to the shade, found a convenient "chew toy" stick, and praised them a whole lot fro being such good little fur balls to be with "their ewes". Golllllly, did they like the petting and rubbing for a treat. They both, on their own shifts, remained for 3 hours.

OK, the jury is still out. We'll see if it is repeatable over time

Robert Denlinger 11/28/97

Hello again listers. I'm having a bit of difficulty with two five month old Kuvasok. Seems their "play" time includes tearing lamb ears as well as gripping and shaking lambs. Although they've severely reprimanded several times, one of them still has a go at it when given the chance. Unfortunately, the chance arises all to often. Anyone using Kuvasz? Had this problem? Have a workable solution?

Robert Denoiner - 11/30/97

Thanks for the advice give so far. As a further clarification, I must add a few brief notes.

I had taken the advice of the list last month and HAVE been keeping them apart. Sometimes, one will return to see the sheep she is penned up with or seek food or whatever. It is then that she sees her sibling sometimes. Then they get together and forget the sheep. They play in the river or pond. I catch this within five minutes and return them to their respective areas.

Regards to the food problem, I've tried many ways to allow food present when they are "on assignment". But some of my ewes are as clever as the LGD's and eat it anyway. It's not really practical to carry some large contraption and the food and lead the LGD as I herd the sheep up to a mile away.

I tried it, must have looked strange all wrapped up in lead line and furry 60 pound jumping puppy, complete with "jumping" ewes trying do "head down" the bucket as they stole food till I fell over. Then the BC came over thinking it was a game to lick my face. The LGD chimed in and the ewe, "forGET licking HIM, steal the FOOD", got it all.

SO, I'll trudge on, will use the "gooey smelly" stuff on the lambs, and will continue asking for advice from all. So keep commenting!!

Robert Denlinger 11/30/97

I am not certain that I could apply the correction, consistently and at the proper time. viz: the LGD puppy plays too ruff with a lamb, thus gripping said lamb. This time I'm not nearby. Next time I am and presto! Dog yelps! The dog wonders later, "Gee, if I grip the left leg, I don't get hurt."

And that, too, is just a tiny tip of all the scenarios running thru my feeble mind. I'll have to really ponder the use of such a device to make sure that I would be one hundred percent consistent in it's application. So, I'll have to watch this week and see if I can always see the outset of the undesired behavior. Maybe, maybe not. But since I have zero experience with such behavior modification tools, and am extremely skeptical of everything in creation 'till I've figured it out, I will have to set the idea aside in favor of more study.

These little creatures are soooooo sneeeeeeeeeeaky and soooooooooooo darn independent! I love it! And I especially love the "roll over and play dumbfounded" act that they put on when they know they've been caught!!!!